
Interview by Dillon Geshel
Shudders is probably one of my favorite Michigan bands right now. You don’t hear much hardcore/punk with an aesthetic that’s knee deep in Minor Threat era punk rock, and that aspect of the band had me really taken with the EP they put out at the beginning of the year. So I interviewed them, and Dylan (vocals) and Scott (guitar) sent some responses my way. It’s also worth mentioning that they’ll be hitting the stage this week to open for Propagandhi and Comeback kid, so if you’re in Detroit Wednesday night, don’t miss it!
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You guys must be super jacked to open for Comeback Kid and Propagandhi. Have either of those bands played an important role in shaping the music you play today?
Dylan: Yes, we are incredibly excited to be playing with both those bands, and I would most definitely say that they have at some point had an inflience on what we are doing. For me personally, I was initially introduced to punk bands through bands like the Misfits and Black Flag. Once I came to find out about more modern bands, I was immediately attracted to bands like Bad Religion and Propagandhi. Not only was there so much going on with their music to enjoy audibly, but both bands touted a message of rebellion that is still just as attractive to me now as it was seven or eight years ago. At the age of twelve, our brains are still pretty malleable and we tend to take on the opinions of our parents, literature or music. Bands like Propagandhi really helped me to develop a political stance that I’ve been fine-tuning now for the better part of a decade. I believe that Propagandhi is also one of Sam’s favorite bands of all time, so I can only imagine how excited he is to be opening that show up. Honestly, if we as a band had to sit down and pick a collective top ten of our favorite bands, they would most likely end up on that list. As for Comeback Kid, they were one of my first experiences with modern hardcore. When I was younger, I was listening to stuff like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Gang Green, and early Agnostic Front, and I always just refereed to them as being punk bands. It wasn’t for quite some time when I found out about the hardcore label and attached it to them. Right around the time I started going to shows, which was at the age of fifteen, bands like Have Heart and Modern Life Is War were pretty big, so I was really attracted to the more melodic side of hardcore, and I would include Comeback Kid as a part of that. In fact, for the first hardcore band I was in, we listed Comeback Kid and Kid Dynamite in our influences on Myspace. Although we never sounded even remotely close to either of those bands, we were definitely influenced by them and strove to sound like them. I know that geeking out about playing with certain bands is probably looked down upon in punk, but it’s hard not to get that way when you’re playing with people who you listened to growing up.

Can you tell us a little about how Shudders came together?
Scott: Shudders basically started four years ago when Sam and I started talking about doing a band together again. We were doing a punk band together when we were nineteen, but both left that band. After a few failed attempts at doing another band together, we both went on to other things and Sam eventually ended up signing for Attack of the… I kept writing during that time and Sam wanted to play drums again, so I asked if he would want to start another band. Attack of the… was wrapping up around then so this eventually became more full time. Attack’s bassist Dave and I had been working on some songs together at the same time so I asked if he would want to do this band with me and Sam. It was basically an excuse for friends to hang out and on occasion we would write a song or two. After a couple of years, we realized we were just piling up songs and should probably get someone to sing. Dylan answered a post on Michigan Hardcore and we were really impressed with how aggressive and passionate he was when he sang, plus it turned out he is a huge nerd, so he fit in well when we would stop in the middle of practice and start talking about comic books and video games. That is pretty much it.
You guys played your first show just over a year ago, right? What’s the experience been like for you; being in a Detroit punk band right now?
Scott: Yeah, our first show was the Goddamn reunion show a little over a year ago. At that time, we were just psyched to finally show people what we had been working on in my basement for the last few years. We had a pretty positive response and it pushed us to pick up the pace. From the Detroit aspect of it for me, it’s been great. I grew up in Iowa listening to a lot of bands from Detroit. I never thought in a million years I would get to contribute, no matter how little, to such a rich history of not just punk music, but music in general. There seems to be an unending amount of creativity here and it inspires me every day. Every scene and city has its ups and downs though, but we try to take the downs with a grain of salt and not let ourselves feel unappreciated or get jaded by the negativity that tends to build up from the competitiveness in hardcore/punk.
Dylan: Actually being involved in the hardcore/punk scene is a thrilling thing. No one has been anything less than extremely kind to us, regardless of where or how we played. I’ve met so many great people since doing this band and I hope that they stay in my life when or if Shudders ever ends. There are a lot of people who work hard to really keep the gears turning, and I’d say that’s really motivating for us. Andrew Truss and this guy named Dave run a website called detroitpunk.org which lists upcoming shows and has information for nearly every local band on it. They’re either friends or acquaintances of mine on Facebook and I always see them promoting shows that they had no hand in booking, so it’s not as if they’re affected by the turnout. They just care that much. Andrew also books a lot of shows that primarily happen at the Refuge Skate Shop in Dearborn. Eric Scobie does shows at the Genesis Church in Royal Oak when he can. Maxxwell Lange is constantly having shows at his house in Detroit, dubbed the Halfway House. Nate Cieslak and others in Detroit run the Bearcave, which is their garage where they have bands play at. I know that I’m missing a lot of people who also do things to help out, but I would really describe each of these people as selfless. They have no motivation for doing what they do other than to help out bands and making sure that everyone has a good time. However, like Scott said, punk in Detroit is not without its flaws. I’m not able to attend as many shows as i would like to due to not owning a car anymore, but i wish that some of these shows were attended by more people. You’d be pretty hard-pressed to find a local show or a show with a lesser-known touring band that has more than twenty people at it, regardless of how awesome those locals or that touring band may be or how well promoted the show was. When I hear that a great band like Sacred Love only played to five people the last time they were here, it bums me out. When I see some of the talent that exists on a local level get overlooked by a majority of people, it bums me out even more. There’s absolutely no reason why the Detroit area can’t be the go-to example for what a great music scene looks like. Can you imagine how fun it would be if every local show got some of the reactions that bigger touring bands get when they come through here? With all of these people putting on shows and access to a wide variety of venues, we’ve already got the hard stuff taken care of. With a little more input from the rest of the community, I feel we could have something perfect.

The first time I heard you guys was when I found your debut EP on the Lost Time Records bandcamp page. I love how there’s this classic Minor Threat sound, but it seems layered with the addition of a youth crew sort of attitude. It gives the EP a really aged sound, like it’s straight out of the late 80′s. What bands do you guys look to for influence? What are some of your favorite records right now?
Scott: Almost each person in this band represents a different facet of hardcore or punk, and that includes ideologies, not just music. I think what works for us in not trying to blend a bunch of different sounds and concepts but emphasizing the ones that we have the most in common. I think for us that is where the 80′s vibe comes from. Everyone in this band loves fast and aggressive music and we just kind of roll with that. New album wise, I’m down with the Deep Sleep and Night Birds.
Dylan: I agree with you that the EP/Demo definitely has a raw feel to it, and I think a lot of that has to do with how we recorded it. Sam recorded the entire thing himself and all recording happened exclusively in basements, mainly because we had nowhere else to record. I think this only helped the songs because they probably wouldn’t have sounded as good had we gone the route of paying someone to record us and getting a more polished sound. As far as influences go, we’re pretty open with who we’re influenced by. In some songs, you can hear it plain as day. Minor Threat is definitely a huge one. We sometimes refer to one song during practice as “Scott Your Idols” because Scott wrote it and it sounds like something that Kill Your Idols would have wrote. Dangers is a more modern one and I think that can he heard in some of our mid-song tempo changes. We’re also pretty into Black Sabbath. As a vocalist, I’m incredibly influenced by Dan Yemin of Paint It Black, Kid Dynamite, and Lifetime fame. To me, he represents the perfect punk vocalist and I admire everything from his lyrics to his delivery. For all of the influences we have in common though, we have just as many that are different from the others’. We all bring a different flavor to the table and that has been working well for us so far. I recently just moved out of the house I grew up in and I’m now living with a friend in Lansing. I’m incredibly bored when I’m not caught up in work or school, so I’ve somehow been listening to even more music than I was at home. Some records that i’ve been digging a lot these past few weeks are Talking Songs For Walking by Lungfish, Rotten Thing To Say by Burning Love, Propagandhi’s Failed States, Converge’s All We Love We Leave Behind and Nada! by Death in June. I’ve also been really into the stuff that Young And In The Way and Give have been doing lately. I haven’t heard the new Night Birds stuff yet, but they’re also a band favorite and I;m going to have to check it out soon.
Is there a place we can pick up physical copies of the EP? Other Merch?
Dylan: The EP is only available on cassette as far as physical copies go. Copies can be acquired by either getting one through Lost Time Records or through us. We’d be more than willing to mail some out to interested parties, but we don’t really have a lot left. I’m sure Mike at Lost Time Records has more than we do at this point. I believe that Great Reversals’ band distro that they bring with them to shows has a couple copies as well. As far as merch goes, that can only be acquired through us and we haven’t gotten to the point where something like a Big Cartel is necessary. We recently just made our first shirt and the shows happening this week are the first time they’ll be available. They ended up looking better than I could have ever hoped and the design was a concept that I came up with myself.
From listening to your first EP and following you guys online, it seems like Shudders gives off a pretty positive vibe. Do you think that’s accurate? How important is that to you in terms of how you guys identify and represent yourself as a band?
Dylan: We’re really glad that you noticed that. If someone were to take a glance at some of our lyrics, they would most likely notice that some of it focuses on the darker aspects of life. I don’t believe any of our songs to be negative at all. If any themes can be applied to the songs on the first release, they would be becoming fed up and moving past something or holding on to a piece of hope in a hopeless situation. At their core, they’re protest songs. It may be hard to take those things away from the songs when they’re being listened to simply because they sound so abrasive. I write my lyrics in a way where they aren’t completely buried under metaphor and I like to think that I leave it pretty clear what I’m talking about, but perhaps I’m wrong. All in all, I’m glad that we seem to be giving off that vibe. I think that most people who know us would say that we’re all kind and humble people and I really hope that Shudders would only be seen by others as an extension of those traits. It wouldn’t make sense to us to try and be something that we’re not.

You mentioned the Propgandhi show probably being the biggest and most attended you’ll ever play — and expressed a certain amount of satisfaction in that. Do you have a vision for the band outside of Michigan? Other aspirations?
Dylan: This is a nice question. I’m speaking for myself here, but I think that it’s safe to say that we all share the same sentiments concerning this band on almost every level. I never expected numerous people to inquire about when we would be making shirts, nor did I think that we would be contacted by a label to release our first piece of musical output. I certainly didn’t think that we would be opening up a show for some of our favorite bands who also are some of the most popular in their respective genres. We aren’t doing this band to achieve any amount of success in the conventional sense. Because of this, we’ve been incredibly surprised by all of these things happening, and they’ve been awesome to experience. I think that we’re just very happy to see that some number of people, and it doesn’t matter how small that number is, seem to take a genuine interest in what we do. We don’t really play a style of hardcore that is too popular today, so we didn’t really expect to see that either. As far as plans extending beyond the scope of our state, due to where we all currently are in life, it’d be incredibly hard to tour. I’m a twenty year old college student who pays his own rent and bills and I can’t ever afford to take class off. Sam and Scott are both twenty-nine or thirty and they can’t afford to take what would be a tour-length amount of tie off from work for similar reasons. This kind of ties into what I was saying earlier about how we never planned on any sort of success because we’re really not at the place right now where we would be able to follow up on it even if it found us. We’ve talked about doing weekend tours a few times with a couple different bands, but if one ever comes into fruition, it won’t be until well into 2013. That would most likely just be in the midwest, and I’d love to hit up Chicago since it’s my favorite city that I’ve been to so far. However, we were told by Joe Hardcore from Philadelphia, the same guy who does This is Hardcore every year, that he would love to have us out at some point. That was a really cool thing to hear, and I feel like playing there would definitely be a show to remember since they have a lot of enjoyable bands playing over there right now. What would be really interesting to me is a michigan tour since since I haven’t been to cities like Grand Rapids or Kalamazoo let alone the Upper Peninsula in my entire life. The only other goal that we really have right now is to put out a seven inch, we’re all really into records and to hold one of our own in our hands would be proof to us that we did something pretty great. Once we get to that point, anything we do afterwards will just be venturing blindly into the unknown.
It’s been almost a year since you guys put out your EP on Lost Time Records. Anything else in the works right now?
Dylan: We’ve been planning on doing another EP ever since we finished the last one. We were planning to start recording in August with Jake Hicks, formerly of Lazarus Taxa and now of Hollow Earth, but we chose to postpone that because we kept writing songs that we felt should be included in whatever our next efforts end up being. In addition to the five songs on the demp/EP, we have completely written somewhere between ten and twelve new songs. However, some of those have fallen to the wayside and probably won’t see the light of day until our super rare limited-to-ten unreleased tracks and b-sides release a few years down the road. Ideally, I’d say that we’ll end up recording eight to ten songs and possibly a couple of covers to include as hidden tracks or just extra stuff for a few splits that have been talked about. We’d really like to get the next EP out on a seven inch, so we’ll most likely be handling all aspects of that when the time comes. Our plans for recording have also been more recently affected by out loss of a permanent bass player, so once these next couple of shows are out of the way, we’ll be focusing on finding another like-minded individual who would like to play with us.
Anything you wish we’d asked?
Dylan: Nope, but thank you so much for the interview. This is another thing I never expected to happen and it’s going to be pretty surreal reading this on the internet when it’s posted. It was a very cool experience. I don’t really have any posse to shout out to, so instead, I’m just going to suggest that any readers looking for new music check out the following groups: Great Reversals. Not Okay, Traitor, Hollow Earth, Under Anchor, The Oily Menace, Retribution, Reconnect, and Old Soul. These are all great bands who choose to make their home in this great state. I just know that there’s going to be someone that I will most likely later realize I should have mentioned and curse myself upon remembering, so my apologies in advance.
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You can find Shutters on Facebook here. Stream their EP at the Lost Time Records bandcamp page. And if you’re in Detroit, don’t miss their show on Wednesday!